1 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,910 --> 00:00:25,950 hello and welcome to the skeptics are 3 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:29,920 for the 28th of December 2013 Richard 4 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:33,370 Saunders here with you walking along it 5 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:37,020 appears along the bayit San Francisco 6 00:00:43,979 --> 00:00:40,480 lovely crispy sort of a day I guess it's 7 00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:43,989 cloudy a bit foggy maybe I'm in the bay 8 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:45,940 area for a little while over Christmas 9 00:00:51,330 --> 00:00:48,370 having a bit of a break so this episode 10 00:00:53,819 --> 00:00:51,340 of the skeptic zone I guess comes to you 11 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:53,829 Curtis Lee mostly of may not maynard's 12 00:00:58,650 --> 00:00:55,150 back at the National Convention 13 00:01:02,100 --> 00:00:58,660 Maynard's spooky action can be changed 14 00:01:05,969 --> 00:01:02,110 to Shane green up all about the rebuttal 15 00:01:08,510 --> 00:01:05,979 project we're butting things on the 16 00:01:10,859 --> 00:01:08,520 internet with maybe better information 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:10,869 you may not also chat to some other 18 00:01:18,139 --> 00:01:14,890 people at the convention then after the 19 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:18,149 break it's a a bit of a catch up Maynard 20 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:21,040 goes bag or its we're going to replay 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:24,340 the predictions that skeptics made way 22 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:29,050 back in January 2013 about the coming 23 00:01:35,340 --> 00:01:32,140 year so let's see how accurate the 24 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:35,350 skeptics were at predicting the year 25 00:01:43,980 --> 00:01:40,090 ahead now just a addendum to last week's 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:43,990 show I seem to recall looking at all 27 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:45,490 those predictions made by psychic 28 00:01:49,309 --> 00:01:47,560 somebody said that there'd be concern or 29 00:01:51,870 --> 00:01:49,319 some words that effect around 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:51,880 vaccinations from China now the time we 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:53,170 did the 32 00:01:57,390 --> 00:01:55,930 the overview that really wasn't in the 33 00:01:59,100 --> 00:01:57,400 news but in the last day or two I 34 00:02:02,070 --> 00:01:59,110 noticed there was something in the news 35 00:02:05,460 --> 00:02:02,080 regarding concern about vaccinations or 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:05,470 vaccines produced in China so we might 37 00:02:11,309 --> 00:02:09,130 have to credit the the psychics with 38 00:02:13,940 --> 00:02:11,319 another hit their which still brings 39 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:13,950 their total to around about 5 or 5.5 40 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:17,440 percent correct and not a sterling 41 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:21,430 effort anyway interests of fairness I 42 00:02:29,130 --> 00:02:24,640 thought I'd better mention that so while 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:29,140 I stroll down here her flock of seagulls 44 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:32,890 pigeons some flying something flying in 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:34,720 the sky well I do that I might hunt 46 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:37,090 myself a nice clam chowder while you 47 00:02:59,339 --> 00:02:56,500 here's my not spooky action at the 48 00:03:04,119 --> 00:03:02,410 well we here in the green room so called 49 00:03:05,559 --> 00:03:04,129 because let me tell you just before you 50 00:03:07,239 --> 00:03:05,569 go on stage and just after you come off 51 00:03:08,830 --> 00:03:07,249 stage at this conference you look green 52 00:03:11,410 --> 00:03:08,840 and you look green earlier who are you 53 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:11,420 I'm Shane green up you're the better man 54 00:03:16,839 --> 00:03:15,049 look I can see you guys doing a great 55 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:16,849 grassroots campaign for this the people 56 00:03:19,839 --> 00:03:18,260 that you need to talk to about Roberta 57 00:03:21,580 --> 00:03:19,849 you're talking to here at a skeptics 58 00:03:23,979 --> 00:03:21,590 conference skeptics are everything to us 59 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:23,989 because ultimately the whole concept of 60 00:03:29,589 --> 00:03:27,680 Roberta is to you know provide arguments 61 00:03:31,509 --> 00:03:29,599 and logical rational arguments against 62 00:03:33,670 --> 00:03:31,519 claims and that's what skeptics do they 63 00:03:35,679 --> 00:03:33,680 find claims which are false and then 64 00:03:37,089 --> 00:03:35,689 explain why and just explain what we're 65 00:03:39,309 --> 00:03:37,099 butter is just quickly those people that 66 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:39,319 might have missed it okay so it's a very 67 00:03:43,929 --> 00:03:41,750 simple concept it's a browser plug-in so 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:43,939 you install it into Chrome and now we're 69 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:46,010 just about to release Firefox and then 70 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:47,750 as you browse the internet whenever you 71 00:03:51,849 --> 00:03:50,000 visit a page that makes a claim that has 72 00:03:54,819 --> 00:03:51,859 been disputed anywhere else on the 73 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:54,829 Internet by anyone else hope hopefully 74 00:03:58,059 --> 00:03:56,510 we will have the connection made between 75 00:03:59,709 --> 00:03:58,069 the claim and the rebuttal and we will 76 00:04:02,259 --> 00:03:59,719 pop up an alert and say this page has 77 00:04:03,819 --> 00:04:02,269 been disputed and what so far on the 78 00:04:05,530 --> 00:04:03,829 Internet of all the pages that you you 79 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:05,540 know of that Roberta's looked at as 80 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:09,590 being the most busy for rebuttals the 81 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:13,489 most actively got was a study by Judy 82 00:04:19,779 --> 00:04:16,639 there's a a study into GMOs in some 83 00:04:23,770 --> 00:04:19,789 particular type of journal and it was 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:23,780 looking at rats no wasn't rats that was 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:26,690 the seralini study pigs pigs fed GMO 86 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:29,810 crops get ulcers in their stomach and 87 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:31,430 died was the conclusion was like the 88 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:33,050 heading of the study and the conclusion 89 00:04:38,350 --> 00:04:34,400 and then the press release that was done 90 00:04:40,990 --> 00:04:38,360 and yeah we've got 27 something 91 00:04:43,420 --> 00:04:41,000 rebuttals to that article based on the 92 00:04:45,550 --> 00:04:43,430 fact that the pigs species chosen were 93 00:04:46,779 --> 00:04:45,560 ones that for Morse's naturally and if 94 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:46,789 you look at the stats that you know the 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:48,250 numbers of the results of different way 96 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:50,810 the evidence shows the GMO fed pigs 97 00:04:56,499 --> 00:04:53,270 actually have far better life spans than 98 00:04:58,149 --> 00:04:56,509 the non-gmo fed pigs like it's very the 99 00:04:59,800 --> 00:04:58,159 the study was very biased and 100 00:05:02,170 --> 00:04:59,810 interpreted particularly had an obvious 101 00:05:03,610 --> 00:05:02,180 agenda and that attracted a lot of 102 00:05:05,890 --> 00:05:03,620 attention and did the rounds for a long 103 00:05:07,540 --> 00:05:05,900 time it sounds like an obvious use for 104 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:07,550 rebuttal as well that's exactly what 105 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:09,710 it's there for yeah absolutely so a 106 00:05:12,350 --> 00:05:11,510 study gets released and it's quite clear 107 00:05:13,909 --> 00:05:12,360 that they hadn't 108 00:05:15,619 --> 00:05:13,919 tent from the beginning of the study and 109 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:15,629 the whole purpose was to get the press 110 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:16,860 release out and have that press release 111 00:05:21,379 --> 00:05:19,020 do the rounds amongst all the blogs that 112 00:05:23,899 --> 00:05:21,389 are just going to copy it without any 113 00:05:26,420 --> 00:05:23,909 critical thought and so yeah we need you 114 00:05:27,709 --> 00:05:26,430 need to you need to quash that now we've 115 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:27,719 brought this issue up with a couple of 116 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:29,430 the other skeptics here so far is your 117 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:31,889 um basically your plugin is actually 118 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:33,360 going to make sure that you get very 119 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:34,530 little sleep because you'll end up 120 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:36,389 arguing with people 24-7 that that's 121 00:05:42,619 --> 00:05:39,750 what this could lead to if you're a 122 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:42,629 Content producer so the people that do 123 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:46,800 the arguing other people ideally are the 124 00:05:50,059 --> 00:05:48,090 people that owned the blogs or the 125 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:50,069 podcasts or the vlogs that you know the 126 00:05:54,110 --> 00:05:51,960 YouTube channels that that make these 127 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:54,120 arguments because anyone can write 128 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:56,969 comments in the comment field but 129 00:06:00,920 --> 00:05:59,250 usually they're ignore abou because 130 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:00,930 there's there's just no investment in 131 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:03,060 time anyone can write anything but when 132 00:06:07,429 --> 00:06:04,800 you invest the time into owning your own 133 00:06:12,589 --> 00:06:07,439 blog and maintaining and being readable 134 00:06:14,570 --> 00:06:12,599 there's some level of brands personal 135 00:06:16,579 --> 00:06:14,580 branding involved and things like that 136 00:06:18,769 --> 00:06:16,589 so there's there's extra consideration 137 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:18,779 thought time that goes into it so it's 138 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:20,520 only those people that do that that are 139 00:06:23,899 --> 00:06:22,500 doing the arguing and then all anyone 140 00:06:25,450 --> 00:06:23,909 else is doing is either finding those 141 00:06:28,189 --> 00:06:25,460 rebuttals and submitting them or 142 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:28,199 accessing them and then with the people 143 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:30,000 accessing and won't spend too much time 144 00:06:33,619 --> 00:06:31,560 reading them because they're not going 145 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:33,629 to read the 50 different rebuttals you 146 00:06:37,999 --> 00:06:36,120 just read the best mmm and hopefully you 147 00:06:39,890 --> 00:06:38,009 have got the best rebuttal which is 148 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:39,900 giving you the strongest argument that 149 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:41,550 that size has so whether you agree with 150 00:06:44,689 --> 00:06:42,960 the rebuttal or not doesn't matter if 151 00:06:46,730 --> 00:06:44,699 you disagree with the rebuttal at least 152 00:06:48,860 --> 00:06:46,740 you have got the best argument that 153 00:06:50,420 --> 00:06:48,870 those people have so that then if you 154 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:50,430 want to respond you're not responding to 155 00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:53,400 a straw man and tell me you you're 156 00:06:57,829 --> 00:06:55,740 getting out there telling people what 157 00:06:59,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Roberto is that that's been done and the 158 00:07:00,559 --> 00:06:59,250 you're trying to get the message of why 159 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:00,569 people should use it and why they should 160 00:07:03,649 --> 00:07:01,860 have it what is the most compelling 161 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:03,659 reason that you should have this great 162 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:05,430 little argument starting argument 163 00:07:11,869 --> 00:07:08,310 finishing plug-in on your browser so 164 00:07:13,999 --> 00:07:11,879 from a personal perspective it's simply 165 00:07:15,740 --> 00:07:14,009 yeah we actually our phrase we use on 166 00:07:17,749 --> 00:07:15,750 the google chrome's to always get biased 167 00:07:20,159 --> 00:07:17,759 proofed because it stops you from 168 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:20,169 accidentally falling into 169 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:22,330 like I call them networks of agreeing 170 00:07:26,369 --> 00:07:24,490 websites if you get a natural news and 171 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:26,379 you read that article and then you click 172 00:07:30,089 --> 00:07:28,150 through to the links that they recommend 173 00:07:31,379 --> 00:07:30,099 they're going to be websites that agree 174 00:07:33,179 --> 00:07:31,389 with them and then you follow the links 175 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:33,189 of those websites and so on and you end 176 00:07:36,330 --> 00:07:35,050 up you can read 50 different websites 177 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:36,340 and they all have the same perspective 178 00:07:42,029 --> 00:07:40,090 and you know no one listening to you 179 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:42,039 know skeptic zone is going to make that 180 00:07:46,589 --> 00:07:44,650 mistake with natural news but if you 181 00:07:50,969 --> 00:07:46,599 know if you've never heard of something 182 00:07:54,659 --> 00:07:50,979 like a red ice radio No Agenda the high 183 00:07:56,339 --> 00:07:54,669 side chats all good blue podcasts that I 184 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:56,349 listened to but not many skeptics would 185 00:08:00,659 --> 00:07:58,479 listen to them yeah and maybe they 186 00:08:02,189 --> 00:08:00,669 present snare and you can fall into that 187 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:02,199 all the things that agree with them and 188 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:03,610 never hear the other perspectives saying 189 00:08:08,909 --> 00:08:05,680 that something that they disagree with 190 00:08:10,709 --> 00:08:08,919 this is we're all vulnerable to falling 191 00:08:12,749 --> 00:08:10,719 into this confirmation bias sort of 192 00:08:14,969 --> 00:08:12,759 neighborhood of websites so that's the 193 00:08:17,429 --> 00:08:14,979 person well I'm not biased I just like a 194 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:17,439 goose up I enjoyed sty enjoy stuff that 195 00:08:21,149 --> 00:08:19,270 goes on it either side i love this i 196 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:21,159 love the hopper bumper goose up of life 197 00:08:26,999 --> 00:08:23,199 i have no idea what that means i don't 198 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:27,009 either i just said to kill time I don't 199 00:08:31,529 --> 00:08:29,649 matter did you say that she did I look a 200 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:31,539 man is over there with the tight spin 201 00:08:35,579 --> 00:08:32,680 for the moment cuz you're talking soon 202 00:08:37,199 --> 00:08:35,589 aren't you yes afternoon yes so you can 203 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:37,209 see it was the tides ping to club and 204 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:38,409 actually has it fill up you've done the 205 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:39,849 presentation yours loose as a goose now 206 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:41,919 fantastic I'm just chilling out making 207 00:08:49,019 --> 00:08:45,880 fun of Amanda yeah so how does we better 208 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:49,029 go with philosophical points very well 209 00:08:52,949 --> 00:08:51,130 thank you and how does it go and has it 210 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:52,959 go with political points which are even 211 00:08:57,210 --> 00:08:54,880 more difficult to prove well that's it 212 00:08:59,130 --> 00:08:57,220 this robot is not about proving or 213 00:09:01,590 --> 00:08:59,140 necessarily the truth it is about 214 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:01,600 allowing a debate to occur so you 215 00:09:05,819 --> 00:09:03,040 believe you know someone makes a claim 216 00:09:08,699 --> 00:09:05,829 and asserts a truth but someone 217 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:08,709 disagrees and that's worth finding out 218 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:11,110 why whether you like the original claim 219 00:09:14,939 --> 00:09:12,970 or disagree the original claim why 220 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:14,949 someone disagrees with it is important 221 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:16,810 to know because that helps you have a 222 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:19,240 better understanding of why you agree 223 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:20,350 with the original claim or why you 224 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:22,000 disagree with the original claim and 225 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:25,120 then having a counter rebuttal to that 226 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:27,430 rebuttal takes you even deeper so you 227 00:09:32,550 --> 00:09:31,420 get more and more nuance and complexity 228 00:09:35,610 --> 00:09:32,560 about complex 229 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:35,620 shoes is it so for some people as you 230 00:09:38,940 --> 00:09:37,210 were saying rebuttal could be ova there 231 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:38,950 the evidence is the arguments finished 232 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:41,110 but for most people if particular it's 233 00:09:44,430 --> 00:09:43,120 not a scientific type it could be a lot 234 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:44,440 more about the journey and a lot more 235 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:46,510 about the learning definitely different 236 00:09:52,530 --> 00:09:48,910 particularly in the modern media age 237 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:52,540 which everyone focuses on the radio 238 00:09:57,570 --> 00:09:55,839 bites and simplification the internet is 239 00:09:59,130 --> 00:09:57,580 you know what we've got Twitter for 240 00:10:02,100 --> 00:09:59,140 doing that but when you go to the blogs 241 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:02,110 and the opinion pieces in magazines and 242 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:06,490 journals and newspapers that space and 243 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:08,860 then being able to go from all that text 244 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:10,210 and going into a more nuanced 245 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:11,500 explanation of it and then a more 246 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:13,540 nuanced one you know to fight back those 247 00:10:18,570 --> 00:10:15,100 sound bites and to get into the details 248 00:10:20,070 --> 00:10:18,580 so I an example came to mind the other 249 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:20,080 day when when someone writes an article 250 00:10:24,570 --> 00:10:22,089 that says global global warming is real 251 00:10:25,829 --> 00:10:24,580 and man-made and they'll just assert it 252 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:25,839 because it's truth with a scientific 253 00:10:29,579 --> 00:10:27,670 scientists agree on and then someone 254 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:29,589 will respond to that saying no it's not 255 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:31,750 because global warming stopped 16 years 256 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:34,690 ago and he's the graph that proves it 257 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:36,100 okay that's out there everyone's seen 258 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:38,650 that and you know and you look at that 259 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:40,360 graph in you go what sort of looks like 260 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:42,460 I haven't warmed and there's the 261 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:44,710 evidence then the person who wrote the 262 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:46,690 original articles or someone anyone 263 00:10:50,820 --> 00:10:48,130 doesn't matter who should respond to 264 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:50,830 that and go into the nuances of why that 265 00:10:55,950 --> 00:10:54,070 graph is wrong and it's not that so by 266 00:10:58,350 --> 00:10:55,960 having that that if that global warming 267 00:11:00,150 --> 00:10:58,360 stop stop 16 years ago argument that's 268 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:00,160 it's not a bad thing to hear that it 269 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:04,060 sort of forces more detailed answers and 270 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:06,130 so for people that aren't quite sure to 271 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:08,200 then get that oh I didn't see that 272 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:10,089 coming and then together deeper 273 00:11:13,860 --> 00:11:11,530 explanation of why that's actually wrong 274 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:13,870 takes them to a much better level of 275 00:11:19,079 --> 00:11:16,170 understanding and thereby makes them 276 00:11:22,890 --> 00:11:19,089 sort of immunized against misinformation 277 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:22,900 in the future okay yeah yeah I mean so 278 00:11:27,060 --> 00:11:24,510 basically get rebuttal and get on it 279 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:27,070 absolutely the Internet can cause a loss 280 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:29,290 of sleep that's for my favorite XKCD 281 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:31,990 comic are you coming to bed no no no no 282 00:11:37,199 --> 00:11:34,180 I'm on Roberta someone is wrong on the 283 00:11:38,699 --> 00:11:37,209 internet um I don't think I'm the best 284 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:38,709 communicator on earth and I need to 285 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:40,630 communicate this as well as possible I 286 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:43,780 really do think that education is the 287 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:45,120 answer to just two 288 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:46,560 every problem on the planet in one way 289 00:11:51,170 --> 00:11:49,050 or another you can teach someone enough 290 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:51,180 you teach them the right way and it will 291 00:11:56,030 --> 00:11:53,460 correct erroneous thinking curr and 292 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:56,040 correct you know believing that this 293 00:11:59,570 --> 00:11:58,290 will you achieve something when it won't 294 00:12:03,680 --> 00:11:59,580 well I believe that's the theory behind 295 00:12:06,950 --> 00:12:03,690 Steiner schools I don't know enough 296 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:06,960 about science because but but and I 297 00:12:09,650 --> 00:12:08,160 should clarify that when I say education 298 00:12:11,930 --> 00:12:09,660 I mean anything which brings people 299 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:11,940 closer to the truth the reality of the 300 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:13,920 universe and in their understanding and 301 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:17,150 so what I syrah butter is doing is 302 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:20,400 fixing the internet where the internet 303 00:12:24,890 --> 00:12:22,890 is the best equalizer we have of 304 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:24,900 providing information to the world 305 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:26,700 everyone has access to the same 306 00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:30,330 information poor rich it's not 307 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:31,740 completely equal of course but it's the 308 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:33,839 best that we have for an entire global 309 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:35,730 presence and everyone having access to 310 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:37,560 information the problem is is the 311 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:39,510 information is not necessarily good 312 00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:41,670 information yeah i mean you or what if 313 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:42,990 we use slides the lowest common 314 00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:45,810 denominator yeah so if people go in and 315 00:12:50,510 --> 00:12:48,540 keep accessing misinformation that it 316 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:50,520 brings everyone down it's not a form of 317 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:53,490 education as a form of an education it's 318 00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:55,140 a misinformation misinforming the 319 00:12:59,120 --> 00:12:57,839 population so the problem is is that the 320 00:13:01,100 --> 00:12:59,130 internet is a mix of good information 321 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:01,110 and bad information and people need to 322 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:03,000 understand how to discern them and 323 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:04,620 that's where everybody comes in and 324 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:08,700 fixes this subtle floor of the internet 325 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:10,290 because it's such a powerful thing with 326 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:12,750 this information superhighway informing 327 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:14,490 everyone but informing indiscriminately 328 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:16,440 with our control and we can't censor 329 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:18,750 it's impossible and counterproductive we 330 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:21,420 need to use that system to provide the 331 00:13:26,350 --> 00:13:23,910 information and teach people how to deal 332 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:26,360 with that information and if the system 333 00:13:30,650 --> 00:13:28,500 do we use with roboto is just a very 334 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:30,660 simple way of doing that because when 335 00:13:34,820 --> 00:13:32,580 people access a claim and then 336 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:34,830 immediately able to access a rebuttal 337 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:37,800 that rebuttal typically is not only 338 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:39,300 about the information you know about 339 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:40,770 climate change about vaccinations or 340 00:13:45,769 --> 00:13:43,260 ever but it's also about critical 341 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:45,779 analysis this is a logical fallacy of 342 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:49,260 the form of special pleading this is you 343 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:51,750 know equivocation it teaches the reader 344 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:54,030 Texas shop so Texas sharpshooter fallacy 345 00:13:57,740 --> 00:13:56,490 my favorite fallacy that's the one where 346 00:13:58,390 --> 00:13:57,750 you've already got the holes where he 347 00:13:59,680 --> 00:13:58,400 draws 348 00:14:02,110 --> 00:13:59,690 the target around the holes that he's 349 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:02,120 already shot through okay then okay I 350 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:03,470 guess it's a bit like cherry picking 351 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:07,970 yeah barn door yeah yeah so yeah so 352 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:09,890 teaching people how to deal with false 353 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:11,270 information because whether you like it 354 00:14:15,370 --> 00:14:13,130 or not false information exists and it's 355 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:15,380 going to continue to exist and the best 356 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:17,570 we can do with it is not hide it but 357 00:14:22,990 --> 00:14:19,850 teach people how to interact with it so 358 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:23,000 that they become more educated closer to 359 00:14:26,950 --> 00:14:24,770 the truth for having dealt with it 360 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:26,960 because we're at a convention that deals 361 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:28,850 with truths of many different kinds here 362 00:14:33,010 --> 00:14:31,250 is there actually a conspiracy that 363 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:33,020 appears to be lacking in evidence 364 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:35,120 appears that you wish was actually true 365 00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:38,120 you'd like it to be true be a hoot yes i 366 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:40,150 think i think the roswell incident 367 00:14:44,830 --> 00:14:42,410 because if we had have met aliens 368 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:44,840 handles being covered up that's awesome 369 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:46,490 because that implies we've got all this 370 00:14:50,170 --> 00:14:48,890 technology underground maybe maybe this 371 00:14:52,810 --> 00:14:50,180 technology maybe this maybe they're just 372 00:14:54,670 --> 00:14:52,820 dead alien bodies but look I like the 373 00:14:57,100 --> 00:14:54,680 hot I like a whole idea about Eisenhower 374 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:57,110 meeting an invoice from the aliens at an 375 00:15:01,600 --> 00:14:59,090 airfield sometime that's a great story 376 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:01,610 here and the implications of aliens 377 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:03,740 having made contact is just awesome and 378 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:05,090 of course other countries I'm trying to 379 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:06,170 get I'm trying to get an instant 380 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:07,760 incidents going you I've been trying to 381 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:09,770 get that every skeptics concert that 382 00:15:14,590 --> 00:15:11,510 every skeptics conference has an 383 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:14,600 incident of some sort but how about who 384 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:16,700 is the unpopular Doctor Who if there is 385 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:18,710 a popular doctor who obviously there 386 00:15:23,740 --> 00:15:21,380 must be an unpopular doctor who I've 387 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:23,750 worked it out it has to be Colin Baker I 388 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:25,910 believe he was it the sixth doctor now 389 00:15:30,850 --> 00:15:27,860 the one the one with the frizzy hair man 390 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:30,860 he was punching people and he was upset 391 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:32,300 already we've got it without an issue 392 00:15:36,190 --> 00:15:34,010 going here now and you've got a few 393 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:36,200 thoughts on this I've just gone through 394 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:38,330 a whole cascade a thought I was thinking 395 00:15:42,850 --> 00:15:40,850 the Eighth Doctor the American spin off 396 00:15:44,830 --> 00:15:42,860 that's that's an easy target because you 397 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:44,840 know sending the British series to 398 00:15:49,210 --> 00:15:46,040 America is always going to be unpopular 399 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:49,220 hmm but have you ever gone back and 400 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:51,410 watched the first season again but I'm 401 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:52,910 derivative the black-and-white first 402 00:15:58,540 --> 00:15:55,130 doctor yeah it's it's very much a 403 00:16:00,700 --> 00:15:58,550 product of its times and it's really 404 00:16:03,940 --> 00:16:00,710 it's it's almost offensive to watch it 405 00:16:06,970 --> 00:16:03,950 the way you know the female sidekick and 406 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:06,980 their roles and so it's like they come 407 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:08,030 in fast forward a couple of decades 408 00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:09,770 you've got Tom Baker running around in 409 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:11,600 the tribal woman in her underwear yeah 410 00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:14,450 exactly so if we if we want to judge 411 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:17,750 things by modern standards hmm then um 412 00:16:23,530 --> 00:16:20,350 maybe maybe near the earlier doctors 413 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:23,540 should be the most unpopular okay look 414 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:25,730 and look and look I hope Roberto keeps 415 00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:28,100 peeps going well it's a it's a tough 416 00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:29,390 sell in some ways because you're 417 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:31,430 actually asking two people to get 418 00:16:34,570 --> 00:16:32,930 involved in critical thinking here which 419 00:16:36,910 --> 00:16:34,580 isn't always an easy sell purcell but i 420 00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:36,920 think you know points to you yeah thanks 421 00:16:40,270 --> 00:16:38,540 so hopefully we can break into the 422 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:40,280 education realm where they're trying to 423 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:42,650 teach kids this anyway and just put a 424 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:44,090 simple tool in front of them which where 425 00:16:48,130 --> 00:16:45,530 they're just going to encounter it in 426 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:48,140 daily life i only use the browser at 427 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:50,270 netskope 1.5 when will you be developing 428 00:16:56,770 --> 00:16:55,610 for that may third 2015 I'm just 429 00:16:59,620 --> 00:16:56,780 standing here and thumb on someone 430 00:17:01,360 --> 00:16:59,630 thrust a copy of a book from the 90s 431 00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:01,370 that I wrote into my hands for me to 432 00:17:05,620 --> 00:17:03,740 sign who we got here it's Joe alabaster 433 00:17:06,579 --> 00:17:05,630 oh look thank you so I've been seeing 434 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:06,589 that book for a while I've got a couple 435 00:17:09,670 --> 00:17:08,180 of copies in my garage but I didn't 436 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:09,680 think anyone actually had any I 437 00:17:15,610 --> 00:17:13,520 obviously live by it obviously yes yes 438 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:15,620 my dad's guide to dag so look it's all a 439 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:16,970 couple of thousand copies that's the 440 00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:19,370 thing that no one have believes me I'm 441 00:17:24,550 --> 00:17:21,520 skeptical and it's only my first book 442 00:17:27,370 --> 00:17:24,560 you have others and that is the correct 443 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:27,380 answer now or have you found the dinner 444 00:17:31,030 --> 00:17:29,210 here tonight that's been quite nice 445 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:31,040 actually very pleasant yes it's been 446 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:33,920 look didn't those Daleks has inflatable 447 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:35,510 dialect went for a lot of money they 448 00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:37,100 seem to depreciate a little bit when 449 00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:38,360 they've got signed actually which I 450 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:40,190 found quite confusing yeah I'll be there 451 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:42,950 look up a little bit for me tomorrow 452 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:44,510 this is a big day of skeptical 453 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:47,150 interviews tomorrow indeed yes we and 454 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,830 what do you got planned for tomorrow i'm 455 00:17:52,660 --> 00:17:50,720 particularly looking forward to the 456 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:52,670 philosophy Talk's Mike McRae and Patrick 457 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:53,760 Stokes okay 458 00:17:57,530 --> 00:17:55,320 great make it make sure you get your 459 00:18:00,050 --> 00:17:57,540 sleep or what make much sense I'll do my 460 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:00,060 best look I'm just we just have the 461 00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:01,710 auction here at the dinner and I'm 462 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:03,150 speaking with a few of the bidders here 463 00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:05,490 what did you bid on and get served I bid 464 00:18:11,030 --> 00:18:08,190 on me George Rob DVD and a photo of 465 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:11,040 james randi okay now goes up a big fan 466 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:12,690 of the DVD I like the opening track when 467 00:18:17,090 --> 00:18:14,820 I was your age it's a great song one of 468 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:17,100 the classics that in far and all the 469 00:18:21,290 --> 00:18:19,230 other brilliant songs he's a wonderful 470 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:21,300 person and a fantastic singer songwriter 471 00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:23,340 yeah I was nervous cause I was looking 472 00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:24,630 at you and you perked up when you saw 473 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:26,430 the DVD you are ready with the cash oh 474 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:28,530 yeah oh yeah well I'm not gonna let this 475 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:30,150 one go no all you go do is collect it 476 00:18:35,630 --> 00:18:31,980 now and take it home safely I'll do 477 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:35,640 because um because revealed on stage at 478 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:38,400 the conspiracy Conaway at was a Peter 479 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:40,110 Peter mr. rat pack what were you doing 480 00:18:43,820 --> 00:18:42,450 out there I was simply exposing a 481 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:43,830 conspiracy which nobody else knows about 482 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:46,650 it except movie so it's in fact that 483 00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:48,510 Titus a pole and obviously people in did 484 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:50,220 it conspiracy that no one else knows 485 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:52,110 about except you would also fit the 486 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,250 pattern of something that is completely 487 00:18:58,820 --> 00:18:56,400 delusional obviously the people that did 488 00:19:01,220 --> 00:18:58,830 the work in the first part and a 489 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:01,230 suppressing or they know I've just 490 00:19:06,650 --> 00:19:03,210 applied my investigative skills to it 491 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:06,660 and discuss and cracked in the find out 492 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:08,790 how it was done so you busted open the 493 00:19:14,420 --> 00:19:11,820 big Snowy River Mountain conspiracy 494 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:14,430 scheme that's right and I looked at it 495 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:17,310 and can anybody prove to move us know at 496 00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:18,270 those tunnels in the Snowy Mountains 497 00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:20,940 rectly full of water no they can't they 498 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:22,440 can't prove anything about it and so 499 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,850 that's why i love it as a conspiracy 500 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:26,400 theory because it just fits all the 501 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:27,960 dates and all the times and all the 502 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:30,780 facts just so a good how are you going 503 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:33,730 to propagate this theory 504 00:19:40,020 --> 00:19:35,650 I have actually mentioned that the 505 00:19:41,610 --> 00:19:40,030 people at Nexus magazine mr. ratbag 506 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:41,620 you're mucking around know what to 507 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,490 publish it so actually you've actually 508 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:47,440 had something rejected by Nexus names 509 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:49,060 and no I haven't submitted it to them oh 510 00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:51,660 wow I think now we write it up submitter 511 00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:54,400 was I can imagine we wonderful on my CV 512 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:55,900 I've been published here hubli to you 513 00:20:01,170 --> 00:19:58,690 published here published in nexus I mean 514 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:01,180 the Nexus is a pretty good read it is a 515 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:02,920 pretty out-there publication yeah I 516 00:20:07,410 --> 00:20:06,130 actually checked it once and I fair that 517 00:20:10,050 --> 00:20:07,420 actually the page numbers were all in 518 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:10,060 sequence and so they actually is some 519 00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,410 truth in it oh he died yes sir now what 520 00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,760 is the one conspiracy theory that 521 00:20:18,990 --> 00:20:17,200 appears lacking in evidence but you 522 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:19,000 would really like to be true Peter mr. 523 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:25,030 ratbag that's acular difficult one I 524 00:20:28,350 --> 00:20:26,410 mean because we do have real 525 00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:28,360 conspiracies like like the movie the 526 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:30,100 light bulb project showed out I mean 527 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:31,360 there are there is planned obsolescence 528 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:33,130 to a certain extent in everyday devices 529 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,810 that's against Pierce it was all the 530 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,120 companies do that conspiracies up now 531 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:39,280 are all sorts of things I mean we just 532 00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:41,380 uncovered this one a conspiracy to tap 533 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,020 the phones of the president of Indonesia 534 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:45,360 yep 535 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:47,490 we know that spires do this sort of 536 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:50,670 thing to ethically nobody ever finds out 537 00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:53,630 people talk about what they do but 538 00:20:57,289 --> 00:20:55,559 disability case where somebody's leaked 539 00:20:58,910 --> 00:20:57,299 some informations to come out and they 540 00:21:01,100 --> 00:20:58,920 found that the conspiracy stuff about 541 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:01,110 spy organizations tapping everybody's 542 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,170 phones it's true it's kind of weird is 543 00:21:07,910 --> 00:21:06,480 because everyone should be outraged the 544 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:07,920 government who organized this should 545 00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:10,170 have fallen but everyone's like okay 546 00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:12,059 it's weird it's a why aren't people 547 00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:13,860 angry at about that and I think with 548 00:21:18,980 --> 00:21:17,940 that one one of the jobs of spy 549 00:21:20,919 --> 00:21:18,990 organization people think it's all 550 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:20,929 military secrets it's not it's 551 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:23,220 commercial secrets it's knowing about 552 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:25,260 how much people apply what people are 553 00:21:28,820 --> 00:21:26,910 bid for other projects what it will bid 554 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,830 for wheat in some other country was also 555 00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:30,480 being in a position to blackmail people 556 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:32,220 so you can get them to do stuff for you 557 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:34,169 as well I hope we're not accusing eyes 558 00:21:38,299 --> 00:21:36,690 you out there no I'm sure that they 559 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:38,309 would never do that well it'll say that 560 00:21:41,659 --> 00:21:40,380 in Canberra if that's more the job of 561 00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:41,669 the signals intelligence unit anyway 562 00:21:44,659 --> 00:21:43,500 isn't it well I'm saying no more in 563 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:44,669 Canberra I've got to try and leave this 564 00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:47,190 place tomorrow I don't want have to look 565 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:48,630 at every car that passes me on the hume 566 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:51,690 highway to say hmm my batt be karen 567 00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:54,570 silkwood off the road here see you know 568 00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:55,830 your stuff beat no wonder you able to 569 00:21:59,570 --> 00:21:56,760 get up there to give a convincing 570 00:22:01,580 --> 00:21:59,580 lecture thank you now of course it's a 571 00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:01,590 doctor who night tonight doctor who is 572 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:03,390 the theme of The Skeptical dinner 573 00:22:08,419 --> 00:22:05,610 tonight I didn't know that until five 574 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:08,429 minutes ago so i will be wearing a paper 575 00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:09,929 bag on my head or something and who do 576 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,270 you think is the unpopular doctor the 577 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:15,240 doctor who is the least popular well i'm 578 00:22:20,150 --> 00:22:18,179 actually an exception in other skeptical 579 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:20,160 movement if i'm not a doctor who fair 580 00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:22,770 well you more of a Star Trek guide or 581 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:25,350 let me guess like seven you'd be a black 582 00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:28,049 seven found more red dwarf but her okay 583 00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:29,820 fair enough then be a writer so people 584 00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:31,140 are going to be making references to you 585 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:32,460 all night and have no idea they're 586 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:33,990 talking about I'm actually not coming to 587 00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:35,010 the dinner basic because I didn't want 588 00:22:38,450 --> 00:22:36,230 to be in that embarrassing position 589 00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:38,460 having to continually nod at people and 590 00:22:41,409 --> 00:22:39,820 go mmm 591 00:22:42,639 --> 00:22:41,419 like when you're talking to your 592 00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:42,649 favorite art about stuff you've heard 593 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:44,539 before and pretending I knew what they 594 00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,370 were talking about I'm sure you'll be 595 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:47,840 drunk somewhere else in Canberra tonight 596 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:50,929 there is a possibility of that in fact 597 00:23:06,409 --> 00:22:52,370 I'm fired upon some people to conspire 598 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:09,269 you've argued against the same woo so 599 00:23:13,289 --> 00:23:10,769 many times you can do it in your sleep 600 00:23:15,419 --> 00:23:13,299 quit trying to stop the nonsense one 601 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:15,429 person at a time join guerrilla 602 00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:18,190 skepticism on Wikipedia help us make 603 00:23:22,350 --> 00:23:19,990 sure the best skeptical information is 604 00:23:25,619 --> 00:23:22,360 always at everyone's fingertips we need 605 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:25,629 writers editors translators we need you 606 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:27,970 and take as much or as little time as 607 00:23:33,210 --> 00:23:31,120 you can give us help us make Wikipedia 608 00:23:34,619 --> 00:23:33,220 as accurate as it can be and you'll 609 00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:34,629 literally be helping people while you 610 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,080 sleep to join us or find out more send a 611 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:40,240 facebook friend request to susan Berbick 612 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:43,919 that's ger be IC guerrilla skepticism 613 00:23:54,869 --> 00:23:53,110 the time is now and now a few little our 614 00:23:57,539 --> 00:23:54,879 notes bits and pieces Wollongong 615 00:23:59,009 --> 00:23:57,549 skeptics in the pub yes Wollongong 616 00:24:01,950 --> 00:23:59,019 skeptics in the pub they're going to be 617 00:24:05,639 --> 00:24:01,960 meeting on Tuesday December the 31st at 618 00:24:08,249 --> 00:24:05,649 seven pm wow that's an interesting time 619 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:08,259 to meet I wonder if that might lead to 620 00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:11,049 some new years eve celebrations probably 621 00:24:17,879 --> 00:24:14,470 will they meet at dicey rileys which is 622 00:24:21,259 --> 00:24:17,889 333 crown street in Wollongong and you 623 00:24:24,899 --> 00:24:21,269 can find out more by googling Wollongong 624 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:24,909 skeptics in the pub I really must get 625 00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,710 down to Wollongong one day and join in 626 00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:28,960 on that and talking about skeptics in 627 00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:31,960 the pub the Sydney skeptics in the pub 628 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:36,100 has a new meeting place well it's an old 629 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:39,129 new cliq meeting place Sydney skeptics 630 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:41,110 in the pub I'm moving back to the crown 631 00:24:48,749 --> 00:24:44,710 hotel the crown hotel and in January 632 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:48,759 we'll be meeting on the 9th of January 633 00:24:54,779 --> 00:24:51,940 more information just Google Sydney 634 00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:54,789 skeptics in the pub it's on meetup so 635 00:25:00,749 --> 00:24:57,659 are no longer at the mezz bar and sneak 636 00:25:02,879 --> 00:25:00,759 we're moving back to the crown hotel and 637 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:02,889 a quick shout out to a good friend of 638 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:05,860 mine Spoony Quinn I Spoony has been 639 00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:07,730 doing some wonderful 640 00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:11,430 drawings visualizing 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gifted people as far as like 669 00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:28,950 seeing the future possibly ever could be 670 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:30,870 it's skeptics in the pub I'd predicted 671 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:32,310 fairly shortly I'll go to the bar yet 672 00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:34,410 again and be refused service but yeah 673 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:36,060 that's a repeating kind of thing like 674 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:38,670 time is in a circle as we all know it's 675 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:40,440 not in a straight line around you've 676 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:42,390 looked at you've got at least a crystal 677 00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:44,850 ball that we've spoken about what do you 678 00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:46,590 got his predictions for 2013 put your 679 00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:48,630 money where your crystal ball is okay 680 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:51,060 well I predict that Bert Newton will 681 00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,310 have a health scare and his son will 682 00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:55,620 have a legal square I predict that there 683 00:27:03,650 --> 00:26:59,340 will be an election in Australia in 2013 684 00:27:07,790 --> 00:27:03,660 I think Tony Abbott will win yeah I can 685 00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:07,800 make that prediction why not I pretty 686 00:27:12,749 --> 00:27:10,139 good uncanny comes to mind 687 00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:12,759 and budgie smugglers that also comes to 688 00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:15,909 mind I think I can't think of anything 689 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:17,919 else right now just I've got budgeting 690 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,649 smugglers in my mind that Jessica 691 00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:23,200 revered yes but I this is this is not 692 00:27:26,580 --> 00:27:24,940 Jessica the astrologer by the way to a 693 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:26,590 lot of people get you mixed up this is 694 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:29,049 jessica the skeptic I won't get mixed up 695 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:31,000 with this an astrologer how exciting 696 00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:33,220 Jessica Adams she's been on the show 697 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:34,840 before she's up she's my favorite 698 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:37,330 Australian astrologer you'll be much 699 00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:39,850 more accurate than to you oh well I'm 700 00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:42,460 going to I'm going to think big I'm 701 00:27:46,139 --> 00:27:44,620 going to think tsunami I'm going to 702 00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:46,149 think of earthquake I'm going to think 703 00:27:51,419 --> 00:27:49,750 volcano why are you going so big I mean 704 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:51,429 Jessica Adams a psychic only said that 705 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:54,340 the Great Gatsby would be a hit I mean 706 00:27:56,909 --> 00:27:55,330 why don't you go why don't you go is 707 00:28:01,440 --> 00:27:56,919 something like that so are you saying 708 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,450 that the great gatsby won't be a hit no 709 00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:04,000 no I'm sure the great gets we will be a 710 00:28:10,169 --> 00:28:07,029 fantastic head but but I like a grand 711 00:28:14,009 --> 00:28:10,179 scale two things i like i like a global 712 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:14,019 a global perspective i like yeah okay 713 00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:17,470 yeah okay now I've got someone who we 714 00:28:21,749 --> 00:28:19,960 got here this is pretty voltage that's 715 00:28:24,899 --> 00:28:21,759 what I also matter quite to be one and i 716 00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,909 think i'll make this again for 2013 that 717 00:28:28,529 --> 00:28:26,559 there will be tsunamis or earthquakes 718 00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:28,539 and floods that affect nine countries 719 00:28:33,389 --> 00:28:31,750 with an eye on the nine but again I mean 720 00:28:34,919 --> 00:28:33,399 people could say like a like you were 721 00:28:36,629 --> 00:28:34,929 accused of you you've been a bit 722 00:28:39,299 --> 00:28:36,639 obviously you're actually thinking about 723 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:39,309 what might happen and saying it I mean 724 00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,230 that's not prediction I predicted the 725 00:28:46,169 --> 00:28:43,840 wedding of William and Kate 726 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:46,179 yeah yeah I predicted that well have you 727 00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:47,770 got any celebrity predictions for us 728 00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:50,760 celebrity predictions for this year I 729 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:53,470 predict and I don't know people because 730 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:55,630 it puts a hex on their marriages net not 731 00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:57,970 let me a guy whose name starts with M 732 00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,250 may leave the ABC under controversial 733 00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,840 circumstances is edible you bet so 734 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:03,840 that's always on the cars what isn't 735 00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,090 hardly worth predicting at all now what 736 00:29:12,299 --> 00:29:10,020 I'm going to do is the two at least two 737 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:12,309 high-profile Hollywood couples will 738 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,220 separate within two weeks of the 739 00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:17,200 separation being announced one wall 740 00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:18,760 between this in seen in the company of 741 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,820 another person and William idiot denial 742 00:29:25,409 --> 00:29:22,960 to that person Eddie if you live with 743 00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:25,419 the breakup I think she's stuck that 744 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:26,860 they'll be rooms and things young astray 745 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:27,970 Ameen because that that's about as 746 00:29:33,450 --> 00:29:32,110 likely as that one I could predict an 747 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:33,460 election in Australia but I think that 748 00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,380 yeah that's pretty I won't predict the 749 00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:36,640 outcome of elections because I don't 750 00:29:39,389 --> 00:29:37,720 want to influence the outcome of 751 00:29:41,639 --> 00:29:39,399 elections oh yeah well that is possible 752 00:29:43,769 --> 00:29:41,649 so there will be an election but i'm not 753 00:29:46,649 --> 00:29:43,779 going to pretty i'm gonna be but it'll 754 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:46,659 be a close election okay so most of the 755 00:29:50,610 --> 00:29:48,370 last one so you saying it's like a 756 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:50,620 Heisenberg principle of elections going 757 00:29:54,269 --> 00:29:52,840 on here that if you like say who might 758 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:54,279 win that that will actually affect the 759 00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,929 outcome oh I think that's certainly the 760 00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,720 case I've done this in the past well 761 00:30:03,779 --> 00:30:00,399 thank you a great sage and I mean that 762 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:03,789 in this sort of it's a no I know what 763 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:05,230 side you did some kind of her be stuck 764 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:07,330 inside chickens that's right yeah let's 765 00:30:13,019 --> 00:30:10,960 go smoke some sage good idea i'm here 766 00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:13,029 with tim miller my team how are you very 767 00:30:16,169 --> 00:30:14,380 well thank you may not I can see that 768 00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:16,179 you're affected by the great sage as 769 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:17,830 well tonight absolutely there a 770 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:19,570 particular great sage between a beer yes 771 00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:21,580 yes absolutely yes I've been affected by 772 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:23,470 the great hops I've been studying the 773 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:24,730 great hops for many years actually I'd 774 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:25,750 regards up with a bit of an expert 775 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,700 you've seen a lot of predictions in your 776 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:29,200 time they're actually been any 777 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:31,090 predictions by astrologers or psychics 778 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:32,770 that have actually been on the money 779 00:30:36,779 --> 00:30:34,860 that have surprised you in being correct 780 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:36,789 there have been something on the money 781 00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:38,230 but that don't surprise you if you make 782 00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:40,120 enough predictions something something 783 00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:41,860 somewhere is going to come true the most 784 00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:42,820 the predictions are pretty rubbish 785 00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,220 either they're so vague and so general 786 00:30:48,779 --> 00:30:46,960 that they could apply to anything and 787 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:48,789 I've dealt with a lot of people who have 788 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:50,529 come forward to me and sort of st. say 789 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:52,630 they're psychics my favorite one who one 790 00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:55,330 who came to me and could not tell me 791 00:31:00,790 --> 00:30:56,600 what my name was 792 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:00,800 and she said I said hi that's not 793 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:02,930 psychic that's just diff but I bear to 794 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:04,190 the phone to her and say hi it's tim 795 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:06,110 mendham from the skeptics and she come 796 00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:07,310 back about three minutes late and say 797 00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:10,340 your name is Alan I say no no no it's 798 00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,440 Kate no nine island I said I told you 799 00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:14,480 what my name was you don't tell me and 800 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,100 so do you have talked and this happens 801 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:18,080 several phone calls in a row this poor 802 00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:19,610 lady was sort of obviously the world's 803 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:22,940 worst psychic and she was ringing you 804 00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:24,500 for the for the challenge for the tender 805 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:26,030 she was bringing for the challenge and 806 00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,310 sort of generally to do to impress me 807 00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:30,080 with how good she wasn't being psychic 808 00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:32,360 making predictions and actually what 809 00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:34,760 would impress you from a psychic I mean 810 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:37,160 how would you basically set up a test 811 00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:38,570 that would work that would keep you 812 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:41,480 happy I mean I mean simply how would you 813 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:44,330 run it are you talking predictions so 814 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:46,070 you know yeah I mean like I mean yeah if 815 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:48,410 you're testing a psychic what protocol 816 00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:50,390 would you put in place and to do it 817 00:31:53,770 --> 00:31:52,190 accurately and quickly just simply is 818 00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:53,780 there an answer to lay you do it well 819 00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:55,340 yeah I mean to put the prediction slide 820 00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:56,840 is pretty hard actually cuz a lot of 821 00:32:00,220 --> 00:31:57,980 people make predictions psychic 822 00:32:01,450 --> 00:32:00,230 predictions way out in the future and he 823 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:01,460 said well i can't i can't wait ten years 824 00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:03,110 to see if something's going to happen 825 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:04,940 that's where this psychic i'm talking to 826 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:06,530 actually try to do i said give me a 827 00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:09,110 particular time frame make a very very 828 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:12,200 precise prediction like you know don't 829 00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:13,070 just say there's going to be an 830 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:16,430 earthquake pick a place of time strength 831 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:17,960 that sort of thing right even so 832 00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:19,370 earthquakes happen AV every minute of 833 00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,080 every day but I mean I need something 834 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,640 very very precise I need any other time 835 00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:26,000 frame which is precisely and basically 836 00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:27,500 that would be interesting to start with 837 00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:30,260 beginning a number of those with own 838 00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:32,030 generals have a psychic you just go 839 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:32,750 through the normal sort of 840 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:34,970 parapsychology tests but you do them 841 00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:36,920 properly and the control conditions and 842 00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:38,060 that sort of thing but there the 843 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:40,670 prediction of stuff is fun a lot of 844 00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,110 people sort of follow it but then never 845 00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:43,760 follow up on it and that's the problem 846 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,950 right but I met Whitney out we do it 847 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:48,320 because we're spoiled sports now I have 848 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:50,330 spoken to you Jessica Adams a few times 849 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:52,370 and she has spirit guides and and she 850 00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,650 explains it the predictions aren't 851 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:56,480 completely accurate because in this 852 00:33:00,940 --> 00:32:59,210 realm we aren't meant to have that kind 853 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:00,950 of accuracy given to us from other 854 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:02,570 people because if we did that and 855 00:33:06,010 --> 00:33:03,770 particularly when it comes to things 856 00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:06,020 like creating wealth for ourselves that 857 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,400 there will be something wrong with that 858 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:09,200 within the realms okay so that's in 859 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:09,890 response to the 860 00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:11,180 if you know all these things why aren't 861 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:12,950 you rich yeah yeah why can't you win a 862 00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:14,450 lot lighter or the horse race or that's 863 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:16,190 predict the Melbourne Cup it's a nice 864 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:20,510 out isn't it yeah the pure atmosphere 865 00:33:24,250 --> 00:33:22,730 it's a way to sort of avoid being proved 866 00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:24,260 wrong because you know you don't never 867 00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:26,140 make accurate predictions so you know 868 00:33:30,970 --> 00:33:28,760 precise predictions if I can tell you've 869 00:33:33,370 --> 00:33:30,980 encountered that one before yeah yeah 870 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:33,380 quite a lot but I've also encounter 871 00:33:37,270 --> 00:33:35,630 though people who make firm predictions 872 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:37,280 and have had someone who made a lot 873 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:39,230 recently about the weather and floods in 874 00:33:43,150 --> 00:33:42,170 Brisbane etc after the fact but when 875 00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:43,160 they made these prediction that I 876 00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:44,990 pointed out the ones they were saying 877 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:46,820 we'll come to in the future had not come 878 00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:49,250 true they would then criticize me for 879 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:52,430 being so picky basically I mean there's 880 00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:55,190 always an excuse they will never admit 881 00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:58,220 they're wrong and looks bigger being 882 00:34:02,020 --> 00:33:59,930 wrong I'm in the recent episode the 883 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:02,030 skeptic you criticized to the greats 884 00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:04,940 charles berlitz and erich von daniken in 885 00:34:09,610 --> 00:34:07,070 the same paragraph I believe you used 886 00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:09,620 words as unsubstantiated evidence kit 887 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:12,200 under the house if the guys got gold of 888 00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:14,630 the gods return to the stars Chariots of 889 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:16,040 the Gods three books what more do you 890 00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:18,890 want cherries are the gods ? he had a 891 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:20,300 question mark at the end of it if you 892 00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:21,320 notice the book is always a question 893 00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:23,000 mark my favorite thing about Erich von 894 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:25,580 Daniken is that anything one notices he 895 00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,409 just scotch drinker you've got to 896 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:30,560 respect that he tried to be impressive 897 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:32,810 by having a pipe but he never actually 898 00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:35,210 lit the pipe even they on TV with his 899 00:34:40,659 --> 00:34:36,980 five videos mouth making pontificating 900 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:40,669 statements but it was never a light if 901 00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:42,409 you were filming a guides inside a small 902 00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:44,149 house would you want to be piping it up 903 00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:45,710 from and did you have a leather patch on 904 00:34:49,419 --> 00:34:47,780 his own yeah like the light of course 905 00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:49,429 Carl Sagan used to try that one on I 906 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:52,040 think he having you had a suede suede 907 00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:54,530 coat with leather patches on then they 908 00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:55,429 get on the sort of person who had 909 00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:59,150 leather patches on a woollen jumper just 910 00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:01,130 to be different oh I think I'll let you 911 00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:02,660 get back to the great sage the great 912 00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:04,040 hops thank you thank you very much maybe 913 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:05,600 it's calling me it's calling me a lot 914 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:10,970 okay it winds its January skeptics in 915 00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:12,290 the pub and as you all know there's 916 00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:13,460 plenty of skeptics sitting on top of 917 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:15,260 Christmas trees and bubbling around at 918 00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:17,450 this time of year it's a relaxed skip to 919 00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,700 get the pub there's actually no speed 920 00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,200 anyone doing anything it's just 921 00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:24,020 basically skeptics at the pub and doing 922 00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:25,700 what they do at the pub celebrating in 923 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:27,500 the sort of alcoholic kind of way OOP we 924 00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,810 got here I'm Nick and look you have got 925 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:31,280 any predictions between 13 have you 926 00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:32,930 decided to back away from that kind of 927 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,390 thing well I'm not sure I wouldn't hold 928 00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:37,040 them with any certainty one prediction I 929 00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:40,700 would have is if Tony Abbott does win 930 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:42,440 the federal election I think he's going 931 00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:43,820 to have a leadership spill fairly soon 932 00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:45,740 afterwards because i think the number of 933 00:35:49,569 --> 00:35:48,109 free thinkers and intelligent people 934 00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:49,579 would not stand for the kind of politics 935 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:52,430 and with initials MC be anywhere in 936 00:35:56,109 --> 00:35:54,470 there i'll post quite possibly right so 937 00:35:59,020 --> 00:35:56,119 that we can have a rapper as they live 938 00:36:01,060 --> 00:35:59,030 the head of the Liberal Party it's rebel 939 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:01,070 MC that'd be good it'll be great I love 940 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:04,450 that MC Hammer that'll be fantastic I 941 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:07,010 you know I'm not sure that could hold 942 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,510 all with the electro I think it's a bold 943 00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:09,920 I think we can look forward to having 944 00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:11,900 those MC Hammer pirate pants stuff going 945 00:36:15,819 --> 00:36:12,950 on in Parliament that'll be fantastic 946 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:15,829 that that in hot saw solve the whole 947 00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:17,690 skirts or shorts debater and you just 948 00:36:21,339 --> 00:36:19,460 wither MC Hammer pants in that a house 949 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:21,349 of speakers whatever happens I'm sure 950 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,820 it'll be a departure from the norm of 951 00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:25,040 the past okay well we'll see the next 952 00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,560 meeting hopefully look now we here are 953 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:29,119 we here at skeptics in the pub what we 954 00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,310 got here I'm George yeah you do have 955 00:36:36,839 --> 00:36:34,400 some predictions for 2013 yes I do I 956 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:36,849 believe that a celebrity will get cancer 957 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:39,260 an australian politician will say 958 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:42,380 something ludicrously uninformed and a 959 00:36:47,230 --> 00:36:45,260 beloved animal will go extinct hmmm 960 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:47,240 that's pretty good a beloved animal of 961 00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,010 this country or a beloved animal okay do 962 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:53,599 you want to make any more really out 963 00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:56,810 there ones yeah we heard Jessica that 964 00:37:00,910 --> 00:36:58,490 the Great Sage Jessica over there 965 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:00,920 earlier predicting them with volcanoes 966 00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:04,040 earthquakes like a large yes large 967 00:37:06,819 --> 00:37:05,630 calculon's happening if you you won't 968 00:37:09,099 --> 00:37:06,829 even want to go on something right there 969 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:09,109 I believes that somewhere on earth a 970 00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,010 meteor will hit the ground and become a 971 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:16,240 meteorite right brave brave moves my man 972 00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:18,050 okay we're going to ride up in the book 973 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:20,660 right now go ahead yeah you want to 974 00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:23,120 leave work on some money on this 975 00:37:27,010 --> 00:37:25,400 I I'll put five dollars on at least one 976 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,020 of them happening you haven't got a 977 00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:28,880 feeling about any employees of the ABC 978 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:31,670 have you I believe someone's going to 979 00:37:49,930 --> 00:37:48,290 get fired the hand side is a podcast of 980 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:49,940 the monthly lectures ranbir camera 981 00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:53,090 skeptics incorporating each month camera 982 00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:55,000 skeptics provides experts in their field 983 00:38:00,250 --> 00:37:57,740 ranging from science and philosophy to 984 00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,260 politics and national security with an 985 00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:02,720 opportunity to present their views you 986 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:06,710 can find us at WWE maryse kept its dot 987 00:38:16,690 --> 00:38:10,130 org dot a you the hansard Candace kept 988 00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,280 did you see that UFO sighting that made 989 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:21,540 the news what did that latest study 990 00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,250 about alternative treatments really say 991 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:25,680 is this photo making the rounds real or 992 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:28,650 hoax doubtful news is a unique website 993 00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:30,510 featuring news about pseudoscience the 994 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:32,670 paranormal anomalies and questionable 995 00:38:37,610 --> 00:38:34,370 claims framed with the skeptical view 996 00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:37,620 come visit doleful newscom every day for 997 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:40,080 news about cryptozoology conspiracies 998 00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:43,230 shams scams and more follow us on 999 00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,720 twitter at doubtful news critical 1000 00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,280 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